Fighting her is a lot different than a straight lightsaber duel. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Darth Maul wasn't overly powerful in the force, … R2- but then again without the force even Yoda, Windy, Kenobi, Skywalker etc, couldn’t beat grievous. In the Clone Wars 2003 animated series, he was shown as easily defeating 5 jedis with the jedis not even making a scratch on him. Grievous certainly had a chance to see Sidious's face, which is barely covered with his hood. He only managed to do this by giving into the force and letting it guide him. Takes on multiple jedi with minimal effort. Not to mention Kenobi beats Grievous but still loses to Maul most of the time. Darth Maul: 6% (632) 5. The guards are mostly there to seal the battlefield and then poke at them with their staves if grievous has any trouble. The Emperor: 18% (1897) 3. Edit: it was Windu, you guys are right. Pretty sure Maul would just Force Grip and tear off his limbs one by one like he was plucking a fly. R3- still Grievous, same as R2 However, they do briefly fight on Zanbar, but neither really gains the upperhand and Maul leaves because the battle is lost, not because Grievous defeats him. This was before Obi-Wan had even mastered form 3 to the degree he had in Revenge of the Sith. Maul, while being somewhat skilled in Lightsaber dueling, was described by Dooku as being "An Animal. I mean his speed is insane but it isn’t random and pretty predictable. General Grievous: 4% (458) 7. Form 3 was focused on defense above all else, and relied on counters to attack the opponent. This one I'm not sure about. He practiced almost non-stop to perfect his craft. You are indeed where you belong. Obi Wan hammered Oppress and Maul. Savage Oppress has his saber as well. The UK Star Wars magazine also states that a fight between Vader and Maul would be close as their combat abilities are well-matched, and while I would be cautious in using a UK exclusive magazine as a primary source for that debate, I'm not as much opposed to it here as it is consistent with WoG and feats shown in Rebels. Random encounter on neutral ground. This was before Obi-Wan had even mastered form 3 to the degree he had in Revenge of the Sith. Grievous has his four light sabers and Maul has his … They could be cut down pretty easily I reckon. Grievous is my favorite Prequel addition and it’s because I love a character that doesn’t even exist anymore. Love him to bits but I couldn’t give him the win on beating anything. Kenobi was on the back foot for the entire duel on Mustafar, he only won because Anakin made one fatal mistake. Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, Qui gon Jin and Mace Windu VS General Grievous, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Chancellor Palpatin. Obi wan defeated grievous but grievous arguably wasn’t at his peak. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Albeit because of his light saber form, I know not much apart from the movies, but Kenobi had no big struggle beating grevious, it was one sided. DARTH MAUL - 0:22COUNT DOOKU - 3:06GENERAL GRIEVOUS - 5:00FIGHT BREAKDOWN - 7:47Today, well we’ve got three Sith Lords going head to head! So it's Darth Maul vs General Grievous from Star Wars. But Maul is also a Sith, and technically because of Talzin’s magic Savage is a Sith as well, and Grievous is just an asthmatic cyborg. Is that the Quigon with Obiwan fight? Grievous also developed a personal vendetta against the Galactic Republic during the war, as the government supported to the Yam'rii. I would not say that Maul is significantly above Fisto, not in canon anyway. But can you really use scaling when a versus battle relies more on matchups? To be fair Kit Fisto could have beaten Grievous if it weren’t for his guards. And a Light Side Jedi might have qualms about using crush all the way to kill rather than just wounding him. So if Dooku can beat Obi, then the scaling logic would follow that Anakin can beat Obi. Both characters start in a gladiator type arena 20m apart with light cover scattered around and fight bloodlusted to the death. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. But considering that it looks like it was with no-diff I don't understand why any other force sensitive would have trouble with Grievous at all. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! a fight between Vader and Maul would be close as their combat abilities are well-matched. In the overall battle the magnas aren’t a huge thing for mainland oppres. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Grievous killed Talzin, and Talzin is the most powerful being from Dathomir, even more so than Maul and Savage. And if we go EU? This scaling is further backed up by WoG as Dave Filoni said that Maul's threat level is within the same realm as Vader's. He defenitely wanted him alive, and probably enjoyed playing with him. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Pretty sure Sidious wasn’t going all out on Maul in that fight. I honestly think that Mauls more athletic fighting style would give Grievous a little trouble. My stupidly long Reddit post: ... Darth Maul. General Grievous' greatest advantage was the speed and ferocity of his strikes. Shock: And General Grievous the Kaleesh demigod and commander of the droid army. Grevious has some crazy feats like solo-ing an entire squad of Jedi and outrunning blaster-fire all over the place. Grievous 10/10 Grievous has his four light sabers and Maul has his dual saber as well as the dark saber to switch with. Darth Maul vs Ahsoka Tano Full Fight Star wars The Clone Wars#starwars During the Clone Wars, Darth Maul allied himself with the Mandalorian splinter faction Death Watch as part of Maul's Shadow Collective. Though he certainly is a major threat to Grievous, the fact of the matter is, Grievous has fought and beaten Jedi on and ABOVE Maul's caliber. The full rules of a Scan Battle can be found here. in his prime and unhindered by his emotions. He knew that Anakin was stronger than him, and behind-the-scenes commentary for RotS confirms it. So, do you want them from the time of Episode 1 and Episode 3, or can we include their other canon appearances? Maul in Rebels was able to stalemate Ahsoka, who later went toe to toe with Vader and obviously wounded him pretty badly since he was limping out of the temple at the end of the fight. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! The canon Grievous is The Ultimate Jobber. He used form 7, specifically juyo, which was an extremely aggressive form of combat. He first appeared in Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace , where he was ordered by his master to capture Queen Amidala of Naboo in order for her to sign a treaty that would legalize the Trade Federation's invasion of the planet. hold off Palpatine's Sith alchemy with her own force power and then cancel it out with some help from Ezra. Grand Admiral Thrawn: 6% (636) 4. But I suppose it was Obi wan who did that in the first place. Grievous is in his prime. … Maul has a great shot with his alchemical legs, his feats with them are as good as any of Grievous' unless I'm mistaken. 3) Count Dooku. He could guard against all of his strikes with ease. Boba Fett: 6% (631) 6. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. Obi wan took them both on and won didn't he? Well the score was 2-1 in Maul's favour, and the 2nd one was more of an ambush. General Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the Armies of the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars against the Galactic Republic. Sidious intended to use Maul as bait to lure Mothern Talzin, a Dathomir witchand enemy of the Sith, out of hiding so she could be destroyed. Maul has better chances in the shown, only Qui gon advantage I see is its size the actor (Liam Neeson) who plays Qui gon is 1.93 tall and the actor (Ray Park) who plays Darth Maul is 1.75. Star Wars Boss Battle with Darth Maul VS Darth Vader & General Grievous in the NEW Disney Infinity 3.0! During the movies, Mace Windu himself said that Obi-Wan was their best chance of defeating general Grievous, due to him being the greatest master of form 3 light saber combat in the universe. So it's Darth Maul vs General Grievous from Star Wars. If we go by all canon it's probably even more of a stomp for Maul because he does some badass stuff in his comic and The Clone Wars cartoon, whereas Grievous has some pretty weak showings in TCW. This and form 5 are perhaps the worst forms to fight Grievous with, because no one could possibly hope to keep up with the offensive capabilities of Grievous with offense. This is like saying Wedge Antilles has a feat of killing Sidious and Vader because he blew up the Death Star with them on it, or B1 battle droids killed Ki-Adi Mundi while his back was turned as he was fighting the Nova Corps. 8/10 to Grievous. I think Maul and Grievous are pretty evenly matched, but I think Maul could take him. CMIIW. Hmm, going by movies only I would lean towards Maul but he did go and beat a weaker Obi Wan. This is why the original clone wars cartoon version of grievous is so much better. Their fight took place after grievous had his rib cage force-crushed and he developed the cough. I would say prime maul with a dark saber is above obi wan. But in the comic Star Wars: Darth Maul - Son of Dathomir, Issue No 4, Darth Sidious and Grievous together attack Maul and Mother Talzin. But that's not what happened. But he had to kill Fisto before Anakin arrived, and had no reason to keep him alive. 6/10 to Maul, Going by canon they fought in the Sons of Dathomir comic and staled each other twice iirc. The son of his mother and father, Grievous was a Kaleesh warlord and feared warrior from the planet Kalee. So he’s kind of in the Vader-realm, and he’s a bit severed from what he knew, which was having a master, but he’s well trained by Sidious in all types of Sith ways, not the least of which is manipulation.”. Seemed to me obi one dismantled grevious in their light saber duel. My point is, how reliable can scaling be in a versus battle compared to matchups alone? I don't necessarily disagree with your final judgement, I just wanted to point that out. The battle ground is Dathomir both fighters are at their absolute best and determined to kill each other. According to the theory, Obi-Wan's high ground line was in reference to his defeat of Maul. He’s not necessarily weaker or stronger than the other Jedi that went against Grievous in any of the animated series simply because he beat him, but his skill set was ideal for the situation. Talzin is complicated. Ventress defeated him on Dathomir in a head-to-head brawl, and I think Maul could do the same. Read them over thoroughly before commenting in this thread. Ahsoka was stated by the Rebels crew to be in the top 3 or 4 most skilled Jedi of all time and a match for Vader as well as potentially even Darth Sidious. Remember to follow the Scan Battle rules, all your claims must be backed up my feats and evidence otherwise your comment will be removed. Season 1 episode 2 Redneck Rowlet 2.0 Previous Guzzlord vs Dark Pit next Shock: Out of all of the foes obi Wan Kenobi's beaten these are the two ones who gave him the hardest trouble and have had robotic clawed legs.. Crossfire: Maul the Dathomirian sith trained from childhood. Grievous learned battle tactics and warfare during Kalee's war against the Yam'rii of Huk. I definitely agree with your breakdown and conclusion, except for one thing. Darth Maul was an extremely skilled lightsaber duelist. Essentially, my argument is that Ahsoka is on a similar level to Vader, so Maul stalemating Ahsoka is therefore an incredibly impressive feat that in my opinion is unmatched by Grievous. They both have about equal speed, but I'll give it to Maul with the Force as an X-factor. General Grievous' strength in the movies was not shown very well. If you notice, every single parent comment was removed except for one. By birth, Maul was a Nightbrother; a clan of male Zabraks from Dathomir who served as warriors and slaves of the dominant Nightsisters. If we go by their film appearances I'll give to Maul because we see him kill Qui-Gon and fight two Jedi at the same time, while Grievous runs from Ani and Obi and again runs from Obi again on Utapau. It was only Maul using the force to cave the tunnel in that saved him and Savage during the fight with Kenobi in TCW. But couldn't maul just throw grievous and pin him against the wall with the force? Together, they took control of Mandalore, with Maul becoming its leader. Because while Obi-Wan matched up relatively evenly with Anakin, Dooku ragdolled Obi during their encounter in ROTS, but Anakin beat Dooku. For support Grievous has his body guards, and Maul has his brother. You can't measure someone's ability in only one metric, like your "Savage is 80% of Maul" bit. He outright says to Ventress, "we're outmatched.". There are very few scans in this scan battle. So while Darth Maul is an impressive fighter, he's a really bad match up for General Grievous. Maul is also a super aggressive fighter who could defend himself good because he has 3 blades to fight with. You're also using scaling in a very strange way. The son of Mother Talzin, he was trained by Sidious as a Sith assassin and became an incredibly skilled duelist. In the 2008 Clone Wars series, we see Obi-Wan fighting pretty evenly with both Darth Maul and Savage Opress at the same time. Maul is a Sith Lord "In Name Only" with a hollow title. He takes on 2 at once pretty well. Thank you. Darth Maul (December 2018) Obi-Wan Kenobi (January 2019) Jango Fett (January 2019) Special (January 2019) Anakin Skywalker (February 2019) Count Dooku (February 2019) Padmé Amidala (March 2019) General Grievous (March 2019) Star Wars: Age of Rebellion. R1- Maul all day every day. 2) General Grievous. It should be noted that Kenobi was a perfect counter to Grievous since was a master of Form III. She's more powerful than Maul no doubt, but her magics are much less suited for direct combat. 1. Not that I disagree with your conclusions, but I don’t think “A>B and B>C so A>C” really works here in this scenario. Grievous was literally built for the express purpose of killing force users. However, Maul also had a long career as a Jedi-killer and assassin. Darth Vader – 33 per cent (3422) The Emperor – 18 per cent (1897) Grand Admiral Thrawn – 6 per cent (636) Darth Maul – 6 per cent (632) Boba Fett – 6 per cent (631) General Grievous – 4 per cent (458) Greedo – 4 per cent (399) Moff Gideon – 4 per cent (381) Kylo Ren – 3 per cent (354) Grand Moff Tarkin – 3 per cent (330) The full rules of a Scan Battle can be found here. There's also how Maul killed Inquisitors in Rebels don't forget that but I'm not sure how they could be scaled. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Grievous 10/10. Battle. Shortly thereafter, however, Maul was captured by his former Sith master, Darth Sidious, and imprisoned on Stygeon Prime. With some help from Ezra if Dooku darth maul vs general grievous reddit beat Obi, then scaling. Skilled in Lightsaber dueling, was described by Dooku as being `` an.! Faction death Watch as part of Maul '' bit feats like solo-ing an entire squad of Jedi and blaster-fire... 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